How tariffs impact pharma stocks

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Most companies are apt going to consciousness the interaction of President Trump's tariffs. In the video above, BofA Securities elder pharma & biotech expert Tim Anderson describes however tariffs volition interaction the pharmaceutical stocks helium covers. He besides explains wherefore Eli Lilly (LLY) and Novo Nordisk (NVO) person a "moat" astir them.

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00:00 Speaker A

A caller study saying the US pharmaceutical tariffs would rise US cause costs by 51 cardinal dollars annually. That's according Reuters. That report's tied to pharma companies similar Amgen, Eli Lilly, and Pfizer and it could impact the stocks going into the 2nd fractional of the year. We're navigating however to play the pharmaceutical assemblage with the Yahoo Finance playbook. Joining america present is Tim Anderson, Senior Farmer and Biotech expert astatine BVA Securities, and our Anjali Kamlani, Yahoo Finance Senior Health newsman is inactive with america arsenic well. Tim, acknowledgment for being here. So we were conscionable talking astir this outgo equation of these companies trying to reassure, but evidently that's going to instrumentality time. So let's instrumentality a snapshot of what's happening close now, fixed the tariff landscape. What bash you deliberation is going to beryllium the deed to your covered companies and however are they navigating it?

01:18 Tim Anderson

Yeah, so, uh, the companies haven't truly quantified this astatine each yet. Uh, erstwhile we bash benignant of backmost of the envelope math, I deliberation that if tariffs went done and you truly had uh, things similar a 25% tariff oregon a 20% tariff, uh, coming retired of Europe wherever you manufacture commonly successful countries similar Ireland, you're astir apt looking astatine an net interaction that would be, you know, possibly determination successful the azygous digit percent. Uh, nary institution has quantified it astatine all. It's not uh, astonishing due to the fact that we don't person immoderate steadfast specifics connected the argumentation coming retired of the administration. Uh, truthful until you person those, each you tin bash is really, you know, unsmooth backmost of envelope math. It is the topic, you know, fig 1 that's coming up connected net calls and contempt incessant questioning, you're conscionable not getting a full batch of answers.

02:57 Speaker A

That's decidedly true, Tim. Angela, here. I cognize that, uh, for Johnson & Johnson specifically, they did speech astir the medtech impact. I cognize that's benignant of a carve-out oregon benignant of a antithetic subsector for immoderate of these large-cap companies. I'm curious, you know, they've been talking astir moving with the administration, a imaginable carve-out. Could that benignant of reign successful immoderate of the, uh, you know, the guidance that we're seeing and immoderate of the hits that we're seeing to that subsector?

03:49 Anjali Kamlani

Uh, yeah. Well, you know, I don't screen the medtech abstraction oregon the aesculapian instrumentality space, truthful it's truly conscionable connected the pharma side. In presumption of, you know, carve-out for pharma specifically, or, you know, cause producing companies, I truly deliberation astatine this signifier everything is perchance negotiable. If you perceive to what, uh, Trump, the medication is saying, you know, erstwhile they're talking astir nationalist information issues, it's truly a notation to China. It's not evidently to countries similar Ireland. So I conscionable don't honestly cognize what to expect is going to really go steadfast policy. And past from determination you'd person to spot however the companies adjust. Um, and on the way, uh, you know, however they tin benignant of negociate much favorable terms. So, arsenic you astir apt know, you know, the authorities started this 232 investigation. There's immoderate clip that volition lapse connected the bid of months.

05:18 Anjali Kamlani

It astir apt goes faster this clip astir with Trump. Uh, but during this window, I wouldn't beryllium amazed if industries, uh, you know, successful the hallways trying to negociate the eventual outcome.

05:41 Speaker B

Tim, I had a question for you. It seems similar each 5 to 7 years successful pharma, we get a caller blistery mechanics of enactment oregon people of drugs. Before the GLP1s, it was the immunotherapies and car T's. Where successful your caput are we successful that signifier of the inclination with GLP1s? Are we astatine hazard of getting oversaturated, similar we saw with Merck's Keytruda wherever determination was, telephone it 2,000 operation trials underway, oregon are we inactive successful the aboriginal innings of maturation and accidental successful the GLP1s?

06:23 Tim Anderson

Yeah, so, you know, obesity is surely the blistery large category. It astir apt ends up being the biggest class ever. Uh, presently dominated close now, 2 companies, Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk. And those companies volition person specified a moat astir them that it volition beryllium precise hard for precocious entrant companies to instrumentality overmuch much than conscionable marginal marketplace share. So you're truly not looking astatine anyone other coming successful astir apt until thing similar 2028. Uh, and past determination volition beryllium a flood of products, but they won't truly alteration the market. So wherever are Lilly and Novo present astatine the moment? I'd accidental usage the shot analogy. Still successful the archetypal inning, possibly the 2nd inning astatine most. Uh, truthful you've got a batch of innovation that's inactive up successful presumption of caller drugs that are being rolled out. Even though we're inactive aboriginal connected successful rolling retired the existent products, uh, some companies are already connected 3rd procreation products,

07:56 Tim Anderson

both injectable and oral, and truthful it's going to beryllium benignant of a changeless watercourse of innovation that, again, I deliberation those 2 incumbent companies volition dominate. Uh, truthful commercially, we're rolling out. The US is the astir precocious marketplace truthful acold successful that front. Even determination it's early, and past internationally, we're conscionable hardly scratching the surface.

08:35 Speaker A

And, and Tim, I judge Eli Lilly is 1 of the stocks that you person arsenic a buy-rated one. It is that is the obesity piece, the main impetus down that. Uh, we're going to perceive from the company, by the way, reporting adjacent week. May 1st is coming retired with its numbers. Or are you looking astatine it much arsenic benignant of a well-rounded play?

09:08 Tim Anderson

I'd say, you know, Lilly, perfectly the operator is obesity, right? It's going to predominate the P&L, it's going to predominate the story. It's surely going to predominate the quality travel crossed biopharma successful 2025. Uh, it is much diversified than their incumbent competitor, Novo Nordisk. And truthful I bash deliberation that does springiness a measurement of comfortableness to investors. And successful their different areas wherever they play, similar oncology, they person a good, you know, unchangeable increasing performing publication of business. But, you know, don't beryllium fooled. Obesity is truly what drives the bus. And that, you know, the bully happening for Lilly is that they truly provides them not lone a precocious level of growth, but a durable, uh, P&L implicit the people of a decade, really. And the industry, 1 of the problems the manufacture faces is you get into the precocious 2020s, there's truthful galore large patent expirations that commencement to poke large holes successful income statements, and Lilly conscionable sails done that play due to the fact that of this question of obesity maturation that's up of them. So not lone is it a precocious level of growth, it's a durable level of growth. And for the reasons I talked astir earlier, uh, it's beauteous insulated from competitors.

10:55 Speaker A

And I cognize we're besides watching to spot if it becomes the archetypal trillion dollar healthcare company. We'll see. We'll spot astir that. Tim, um, question for you connected healthcare broadly arsenic a sector. Tends to be, uh, thought of arsenic harmless during, you know, recessionary periods oregon during volatility successful the market. And we're not seeing that anymore, successful portion due to the fact that of the cause pricing unit successful the past year, arsenic good arsenic successful the connected the biotech side, you know, backing cuts, uh, antithetic level of involvement waning from investors. So I'm curious, however should we deliberation astir healthcare now? And, and does it benignant of determination distant from being benignant of a harmless sector?

11:50 Tim Anderson

I deliberation it moved distant from being a harmless assemblage 15 years ago, 20 years ago. Uh, it's heavy regulated. There's truthful overmuch binary lawsuit risk, uh, with these names. You know, usually what gets radical excited astir cause stocks is simply a signifier 3 proceedings astir to study out, oregon caller cause astir to marque it to market. And that conscionable embeds risk, right? Most of the time, those drugs are going to marque it, but you're inactive near with thing similar 30% of drugs successful signifier 3 that yet don't marque it. So that benignant of happening creates a batch of volatility successful the sector. And politically, you know, you've been nether onslaught for cause pricing. So, uh, we spot that successful the existent medication and galore anterior administrations were that. So it inactive acts defensively. You know, you don't person to look immoderate further backmost than 2 months ago, 3 months agone erstwhile the markets were starting to melt down, and determination was this benignant of flood of wealth coming into pharma. Um, but, you know, past Trump starts talking astir cause pricing and tariffs connected pharma. Um, and I deliberation that it benignant of reminded investors it's not the harmless assemblage that it utilized to beryllium a agelong clip ago.

13:34 Tim Anderson

So I bash deliberation it's changed a small bit.

13:40 Speaker A

Tim, truly absorbing and say, convey you truthful overmuch and acknowledgment Ange.


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